Named vote for chief minister poll

GUERNSEY’S new States voted in favour of having a named vote on the chief minister poll this morning.

GUERNSEY’S new States voted in favour of having a named vote on the chief minister poll this morning. But it is still debating whether to scrap the rule that means a candidate has to have four years' experience.

If that proposal by the States Assembly and Constitution Committee is passed it opens the way for Deputy Peter Harwood to enter the race against Deputy Jonathan Le Tocq.

Deputy Lyndon Trott withdrew from the contest last week.

It was Deputy Trott's amendment to the Sacc report this morning that means for the first time everyone will know which candidate every deputy voted for - they will call-out their choice when the vote is taken.

Members backed the move by 27 votes to 20 – both Deputies Le Tocq and Harwood were opposed.

All 45 members were sworn in as deputies this morning.

  • Full coverage of all the days events will appear in tomorrow's Guernsey Press.

Comments for: "Named vote for chief minister poll"

Sam

Not sure on this one.

It was pointed out that this is why the Soviet Union insists on open transparent voting, so the man at the top knows who to keep out of his committees and who mysteriously disappears.

Not sure if Lyndon Trott proposing it this morning had any significance.

Jamie

I don't think LT proposing it has any significance. It was brought up in early 2011 and was not accepted. LT at the time voted for the change to come in.

What is odd is the amendment was seconded by Peter Harwood yet he voted against it. Now that seems really odd.

Gary B

Jamie,

The amendment was seconded by Roger Perrot. BBC website said Harwood, but were wrong, I have emailed them

Jamie

Thanks.

Noticed that according to Channel online and yesterdays channel news, Harwood won 27 to Le Tocq's 22 ... wonder where the extra two deputies came from .... perhaps there was another rule change we didn't know about :)

If you can't trust the media who can you trust !!

Ray

Jamie

If you had listened to the States meeting you would have realised that HM Procureur and the Bailiff were in on the alleged SACC shenanigans

Perhaps they were the 'extra two'?

Geoff

So 20 voted against everyone knowing which way their selection went? Still a lot against open and transparent government then? Good start to the next 4 years for change!

Neil

Sam, the Soviets had the KGB, Gulags and large tracts of birch tree filled woods.

I can't imagine the Douzaine burying bodies all over the Guet somehow.

Openess and transparency should be our new mantra.

GM

Neil

In Russia, its always useful to know who your enemies are, for reasons which we will never easily relate to here in Guernsey!

Paul Le Page

Neil is right that comparisons with the former Soviet Union ignore the huge differences between the two governmental structures.

Nevertheless it would be foolish to ignore the very real risk that open voting will open the door wider to personality politics. I found it particularly pertinent to note that both CM candidates were opposed to the idea, they evidently saw how it could open the door to allegations.

Let's be honest. Hypothetically, if Harwood now gives a ministerial post to Deputy Fallaize the Guernsey gossip grapevine will swing into action saying it's a reward for proposing him as CM and helping get the rules changed to allow him to stand - irrespective of whether that's true or not.

In a way the States couldn't win - it was damned if you do, damned if you don't. The electorate have demanded open and transparant government and railed against the "old boys network" personality politics in equal vigour. It is difficult to see how this vote doesn't bring one at least partially at the expense of the other.

Sam

Only being satirical Neil

Neil

I've warned you about being funny before - cut it out please. Cheers

Sophie

Neil..."the Soviets had the KGB, Gulags and large tracts of birch tree filled woods..."

and the States have the Housing & Environment Depts.

Jamie

Even more reason of openess and transparency..

If there was some 'bumping off' the police would have some evidence of motive.

It stops the double promise ... e.g. promising to vote for any candidate that approaches you with an offering of a ministerial position and then having the annonymity of them not knowing if you really voted for them.

It promotes openess and transparency between our politicians not just between them and us (joe public). I actually think this is one of the most important aspects. They all need to grow up and be honest with each other.

Jon

Guernsey lacks a Freedom of Information act for a good reason. If we had the legislation in place the electorate would be able to question the machinations of government.

I believe that island politics, both the structural components and elected participants, is culturally opposed to open and transparent government.

I would like to challenge any States member to call for the legislation and watch those that opposed it try to justify their objections, beyond hiding behind the argument that it might cost a few pounds to bring in to being.

Sunlight is the best antiseptic. Sadly without legislation to force openness, trust in the government of our Island will always be lacking.