Rapidly growing hedges are causing a road safety hazard

A GRANDFATHER fears being hits by a passing car while pushing his granddaughter along Bailiff's Cross Road in her buggy because of overhanging brambles and bushes.

John Casey is having problems walking his granddaughter along Bailiff's Cross road safely because of overgrown hedges. (Picture by Steve Sarre, 1264429)
John Casey is having problems walking his granddaughter along Bailiff's Cross road safely because of overgrown hedges. (Picture by Steve Sarre, 1264429)

A GRANDFATHER fears being hits by a passing car while pushing his granddaughter along Bailiff's Cross Road in her buggy because of overhanging brambles and bushes.

John Casey walks from his home at La Chaumiere to his daughter's home near St Andrew's Church twice a week, with eight-month-old granddaughter Maisy Ozanne in her pushchair.

But the wet weather has led to fast-growing weeds and hedges making the pavement too narrow.

Mr Casey said sometimes he has to walk with two wheels in the road because the pushchair could not fit on the footpath.

'I was walking along the footpath and nearly got hit,' he said.

Comments for: "Rapidly growing hedges are causing a road safety hazard"

KNJGSY

Bailiff's Cross Road is part of 'Outer Ring Road' of St. Peter Port. It is not a officially designated ring-road but that is the role that it fills, like it or not! The pavements are of the kind which date from the age when traffic was horse-drawn (as is the road) and are not adequate in width to provide proper sanctuary from today's traffic. You can easily have your ear smacked by passing truck door-mirror. These pavements are in constant use by vehicles mounting and running on them because of the lack of road-width. Indeed, the current buses used on routes through here must involve the pavement continuously in order to pass oncoming traffic. Even a motorcycle is a tight fit alongside the buses.

Over the years, no attention has been given to the need for our roads to meet proper fitness standards for the traffic that they carry. Just before the current fleet of service buses were introduced, a change in vehicle width law was sneeked through the States - but without adjustment to road-widths to correspond with the change. This demonstrated clearly a degree of ineptitude in those public servants and politicians who introduced the change in vehicle width law.

Many of Guernsey's roads are inadequate for the traffic which travels upon them, making them hazardous. Poor driving standards, which are common, render these roads as unsafe.

It is long overdue that there was some responsible, mature thinking brought in to reviewing and changing our thoroughfares. If current road traffic is to continue, then we need the roads to do the job. We must not be expected to continue risking our necks on tarmac surfaced cart tracks which evolved in the times before the internal combustion engine - or even the bicycle - came to be.

Vivica

Good points well made!

freeflow

Many of these pavements are passed there useful purpose and should be removed to allow the freer movement of our traffic.

Taking prams on small pedestrian pavements is irresponsible. In the unlikely event of the pram pusher ever meeting a pedestrian coming the other way he would make the lone rare pedestrian have to walk on the thoroughfare endangering the traffic and reducing flow.

Use it or lose it pedestrians!!

Ray

Oh for goodness sake.Anyone would think that traffic is constantly nose to tail throughout the island.How many seconds does it take to step around a pram on a narrow pavement?

Quite agree about most of the roads being horse and cart tracks probably from the Roman times ( No need to preserve Asterix at thousands per year when our roads serve the same historical purpose)

The only newish roads I can think of is Footes lane and the one around the back of the Airport.I'm guessing that the one before that would be the Val des Terres?

Scivster

Elizabeth Avenue?

Ray

Yep I forgot Elizabeth Avenue,the most recent of them all and yet they got it so badly wrong with only one and a half lanes heading East

Presumably the giant book of unbreakable rules at Environment said this was OK

j

If the same pedestrian met another pedestrian they would still need to walk on the road.

The fact there is a pram involved doesn't affect that.

Terry Langlois

heaven forbid that the motorist be inconvenienced...

taking away the pavements forces everyone to drive, even for short journeys, thus making traffic flow even worse.

as motorists, we should not expect to drive at 35-40 mph everywhere, and should expect to have to stop on our narrow roads for all manner of obstacles or other road users.

Mark

Tsch tsch! You shouldn't be going anywhere at 36-40 mph on this island! ;-)

Terry Langlois

agreed, but many appear to expect to be able to do so at all times

Karen

'Taking prams on small pedestrian pavements is irresponsible'? Are you for real???

The pavement is there for pedestrians use not vehicles. Many roads of this nature (including Bailiff's Cross Road)have residential properties for most of the way along them with just a narrow pavement on one side. How do you propose that people get from A to B from those properties if they have young children/babies and are walking - levitation?

It is the responsibility of vehicle drivers to be aware of the pedestrians around them and adjust their driving accordingly. If this means stopping/slowwing down to crawling speed until there is a clear route ahead then so be it.

I understand that it going up on the pavement to avoid oncoming traffice as a driver is unavoidable in many instances but this must always be done safely.

Maybe if drivers in general became more considerate then more people would feel safer actually venturing outside their front door on foot.

Stroller

KNJGSY sums it up pretty well. First step in my book is to get the roads policed properly. Many drivers seem to think they can use the footpaths with impunity. Then how about the introduction of more one-way systems, in conjunction with an appropriate method of speed control? The interminable lengths of the resultant traffic journeys might have the added bonus of getting more people onto two wheels.

Guern abroad

Shame the States saw fit to widen the permissible width of vehicles rather then have the courage to stick at a given width and work within it.

All users have the responsibility to use the roads as they are and that includes using a vehicle that is appropriately sized.

Do not pass the buck onto the States to review are the roads fit for purpose when the public have not done their bit in the first place and continue to buy and use masively over sized vehicles.

Johhny does not need a 4x4 to get him to school a mile down the road. May read a little extreme but it does happen.

Islanders should be encouraged to use vehicles better sized for our existing roads.

This is an Island it is not suburban England.

Elizabeth Smith

I agree with this man people have to relise school children also use these foot paths..i myself had the same problem last friday walking with a buggy and my 10yearold grandson St Andrews foot paths are an accident waiting to happen ..the roads on the way to te school are just as bad and excuses are always made....These paths are made for walkers not bikes and big lorries etc..Best thing is for someone from the douzaine to go for a walk instead of driving everywhere and find out..take a buggy with you and a another child or eldely person and see what its like ..plus we pay our rates and so weather good or bad is no excuse

Elizabeth

Guern

To get back on the correct track of this item, you will be pleased to note that the hedges in the offending photo have been cut, and I am sure had the complainant spoken with the land owner that they would have done it without all this fuss, please remember they only have to do them legally by May and October.

Donkey's Wotsits

Guern - Just as a small correction, the legal dates are June 15th and September 30th.

the barron

sorry has everyone missed the point we all know about the traffic but here is the spanner in the works is there not a law about cutting hedges if they are obstructing passage? like pavements.

Stroller

What a relief to learn the growth has been cut back. I'd hate Freeflow to scratch his car.

rosie

A recent study reported in the The Lancet medical journal has found that Britain has one of the most sedentary populations in the world.

"63.3 per cent of the population fails to meet recommended levels of physical activity, thereby increasing their risk of conditions such as heart disease, diabetes and cancer". Even the USA does better than us! Diseases associated with sedentary lifestyles are going to be a huge cost for the community, far bigger than those attributed to smoking.

Walking and cycling our journeys is a fantastic way to incorporate much needed exercise into busy daily lives and therefore should be encouraged as much as possible. Guernsey is a perfectly sized island for cycling and walking with few journeys taking longer than half an hour. And yet judging by some of the comments on here, there are still people who think that the car should dominate our roads and be allowed to intimidate vulnerable road users.

Vehicles in Guernsey should be appropriate to the size of our roads. There are far too many that take up more than their fair share of the road space. Having a wide car is a choice. We should not be considering widening our roads to accommodate that choice.

Spartacus

Rosie

I totally agree. Power to the walkers! The current fashion for huge cars is silly. Just ban them they are not suitable for Guernsey.

bcb

Are you one of those that believes size matters? i`ve always been told its how you use it?.

The car of course!

Ray

There's a black hole filler there

Don't ban them,just impose a 10% purchase tax every time a private car wider than say a Honda CRV is sold new and £250 every time it is re-registered to a different owner...and like the cigarette tax each figure would be increased annually for the next five years ... by which time it would probably cost more to collect the taxes than the scheme brings in

Mrs Meat

But then we're back to the size of the buses again. Can't ban the cars because how would they explain those damn buses?

I take a deep breath every time I leave my gateway on foot as the Hougue du Pomm is narrow but no one wants to slow down (espesh the buses) because it offers a nice straight stretch to bomb down with a handy pavement to mount. One even slalomed between my and my kids on the school run.

Spartacus

bcb

As claimed by owners of small ones ;-)

Ray

I've got a small one,and a large one

I use the small one on a daily basis as it is easy to handle whereas the large one comes out about once a month for its green tip usefulness

Martino

I'd agree with you both and I'd also say that many of the motorbikes on this island are a silly size too, Anything bigger and more powerful than a 125cc machine (perhaps a 250 if you are a very large person) is quite pointless here.

But what about all the lorries, buses and other commercial vehicles? That one's a much harder nut to crack.

rosie

I agree that the buses are too big for many of our smaller roads but on the main arterial roads I think they are fine. Ideally we would have smaller buses plying the smaller lanes and feeding into the bigger buses on the main routes.

However, there is a world of difference between a bus that is providing a public service and large private cars which certainly are not providing a public benefit..... quite the opposite. I don't think therefore, that they should necessarily be treated the same.

Mark

Martino - out of interest, what bike do you ride?

I'd happily have a 125/250 for running around the Island but I'd never take it away as I do with my big bike. For those without space for two (or more) bikes this means a choice - and I know what I would choose!

Most big bikes also don't take up much more space on the road than a 125 so the only potential benefit is less pollution.

Martino

A Vespa 125 needless to say. I used to ride 'proper bikes' - my last one was a Honda 600 - but you could never open them up and when I lost my bottle for speed more than 20 years ago after I almost came off on a French motorway I decided to switch to a twist and go scooter. Simply ideal for local conditions but admittedly not suitable for touring, which I'm not interested in because I prefer to tour by bicycle these days. The great thing about the Vespa is how brilliant it is for whipping in and out of traffic. Try doing that on a Harley or a large tourer!

Mark

Good choice of machine, I used to have a Vespa 50cc which was, as you say, great for nipping around though useless at going up hills with my large frame on it!

Mark

Well said.

I've recently started cycling into work, it's 3.5 miles each way, takes around 15-20 minutes. The first week or two were bit of a shock to the system but now I can feel the benefit to my general health - I'm sleeping better, have less problems with my back, am losing some of my 'paunch' etc!

The only problem with cycling into work is motorists. Pretty much every day I see some incident such as cars overtaking me just before blind bends/junctions causing oncoming traffic to have to emergency stop to avoid a head on collision. I've also nearly been squashed into walls/driven off the road a couple of times by cars overtaking and pulling back in when alongside me (how difficult is a quick glance over you shoulder/look in your mirrors!).

Unfortunately it's just impatience that causes these incidents and makes cycling less enjoyable than it should be. Like this morning an old boy overtook me on the Rohais (incidently also close enough that I could have easily banged on his passenger window with my elbow even though there was no oncoming traffic) then immediately turned into Waitrose - it wouldn't have hurt to wait another 10 seconds until I'd gone past the entrance then turned in behind me.

CSR

Mark, I too take to two wheels for travel to/from work a couple of times a week and like you have noticed a general benefit to my health... not mind blowing but any little helps when you are 60+.

I haven't experienced too many hair raising moments along my route as the roads I use are reasonably wide or have bends that tend to deter drivers from trying to overtake. Whilst I agree that any motorist who is inconsiderate and endangers a cyclist deserves all the grief that can be dished out to them by way of a bit of 'verbal', however on the flip side, what about those cyclists who don't use the cycle lane along the seafront, or who use the pavement along North Esplanade through to Quay Street (including the crossing) and The Bridge... bunch of self centered morons... not generally representative of the majority of cyclists I agree, but damned annoying nonetheless.

I guess now, I'm going to get a lot of stick for raising those last issues, but someone had to say it:-)

Martino

The only issue I have is your gripe about cyclists who don't use the cycle lane. Mostly I prefer to use the cycle path but when the traffic is heavy riding south to north it can be very difficult to find a gap to get across the road so I don't bother. Cyclists are perfectly entitled to use the road instead of the lane yet some motorists simply don't appreciate this fact.

James

The so-called "cycle lane" along the seafront is an intermittent white painted line along a footpath, intersected at several points by bus stops, slipways, car park entrances, and turnings (where cycles are expected to give way).

Pedestrians (rightly) walk across it, and there are bicycles going both ways. At points it is very narrow, with a low seawall leading down to rocks. The spray washes onto it, leaving salty sediment that corrodes bicycles. Anyone wanting to turn inland (and I don't know many journeys that involve turning out to sea) would have to cross the road somehow despite there being almost no crossing points.

As a consequence of all these factors, it's more dangerous, more inconvenient, and generally slower than using than the road (don't just take my word for it - google Cycle lane safety and see the traffic research if you want).

But hey, if I'm slowing your very important car journey by even a few seconds, maybe I should put my life and other footpath users at risk for you.

WorksbothWays

Cyclists make driving less enjoyable than it should be too. Especially when you get stuck behind someone who's barely pedalling.

Terry Langlois

the difference is that the life of the motorists is not endangered by being momentarily held up by a cyclist.

but I find that most motorists here are considerate, and I have very few dodgy moments, but then I tend to cycle at the faster end of the scale and so hopefully motorists don't feel a burning desire to overtake me at all costs.

I do agree that it can be frustrating to be stuuck behind a cyclist who is basically freewheeling along a flat road, but we live in a lovely and relatively peaceful island with holiday-makers and other people who do not think that charging around at break-neck speed is a necessity. It does us good to remember that, take a breath and enjoy the slower pace for a moment or two. Very zen.

Ray

Mark

"The only problem with cycling into work is motorists."

That's the very opposite of what I witnessed yesterday heading East at St Clair Hill St Sampsons.A rather nice looking young lady with rosy cheeks was cycling up the hill ever so slowly from the direction of the Halfway and was level with the motor cycle shop.I could see a long line of vehicles behind her and counted no less than EIGHTEEN all chugging along at less than 4MPH

Because of the narrowness of this main road I would imagine that the leading two or three in this queue drew up behind her very close to the Halfway but had to remain behind her because of sporadic oncoming traffic

I wonder if they were getting frustrated or impatient in the knowledge that it could be several hundred yards yet before it would be safe to overtake near Route Militaire ?

Not saying that the young lady was doing anything wrong...just saying that's all

Mark

Ooh, I appear to have opened up a can of worms with my comments here!

Yes, as a motorist (which I am as well as a cyclist!) it can be annoying being stuck behind a cyclist. Still, at least the fact they're on a bike means one less car on the road, not taking up a parking space in town etc.

Reminds me of a bill board I saw once. It said something like

"Stuck in traffic? You are the traffic - get a bike!"

Ray

Mark

Good point re not taking up a space in Town ... obviously using the bus would have the same effect but this convoy of eighteen vehicles stuck behind the pretty lady was heading out of Town in the middle of the morning

It was not made up entirely of one person per private car but included works vans and other commercial vehicles trying to get on with their daily business... there was even a Lagan tractor in the queue,and using Beanjar's penchant for making it up as he goes along ... WHAT IF ...

WHAT IF Lagan's vehicles were held up in such a way on a regular basis? How far behind would the vital multi million pound airport project be after two years? Who would have to foot the bill for a massive overrun ? You guessed it,the poor suffering taxpayer

It could lead to a revolt with people refusing to pay their due taxes.The Police would have to become involved.In certain circumstances they would have to go in heavy handed and break down a few doors leading to massive compensation claims,and who would have to foot the bill for these claims? You guessed it,the poor suffering taxpayer

The tractors are supposed to be about fifteen minutes apart but if the first one is held up by slow moving cyclists surely the second one would catch up and there would be double the danger to other motorists trying to go about their daily chores.What if there was a collision with an unlicensed white van man carrying hazardous waste at L'Islet crossroads? The police would have to evacuate a half mile radius,shutting down businesses and turfing people out of their homes.What if one of their regular pond life clients refused to move and threatened them with a kitchen knife.They would have to go in unarmed and unprotected immediately in order to save that person from the hazardous waste cloud.What if a policeman got seriously injured and was put off work for months? Who would foot the bill for that extended sick leave? Who would foot the bill for the toerag's extended jail term? You guessed it,the poor suffering taxpayer

I could go on but I see that my carer has just arrived,but I hope you get the point .. cyclists can be a right pain in the bum at times

PS Nice to see that the cycle lane along Les Banques is being used quite a lot nowadays

Robert

Or perhaps, like yourself Ray, the driver just behing this pretty young lady was so busy admiring her rosy cheeks he neglected to overtake, and the queue was in fact their fault.

Captain Oveur

‘Taking prams on small pedestrian pavements is irresponsible’?

There is a growing army of these sorts that try to put the blame on the victim.

I've had "discussions" with airport authorities about my requirement to wear "high viz" during the day. My reasoning is that I shouldn't need to wear one when I'm stood next to my rather large aircraft. Their come back is that if I'm hit by a passing airside vehicle it will be MY fault. I completely disagree with this, and it is the same argument for being clipped by a car while walking on a narrow pavement.

It is the drivers responsibility to drive according to the conditions and is responsible for avoiding soft targets like me. If a road is a bit narrow the driver is responsible for adjusting their speed accordingly, to suggest I as a pedestrian is to blame as the pavement is a bit narrow and I should not have ventured out onto it is completely wrong.

rosie

I addition to my comment above (nos.9), I read in the paper this morning that according to the Department of Transport's most recent travel survey, we now walk on average 28% less than we did in the 1990's, which in itself was a lot less than the decade or two earlier. The health implications of this cannot be over-estimated, particularly when combined with diets based on modern processed foods..... it's a ticking time bomb. It's time that our transport strategy put more focus and encouragement on getting more people to walk or cycle their journeys when-ever possible and less incentive to use motorised vehicles as the default mode of transport.

The Olympics have shown us that it is cool, clever and admirable to be fit and healthy. Let's use this as an opportunity to turn Guernsey into a place that is a joy to walk and cycle and that is less dominated by cars.

Ray

All good stuff and hard to argue against Rosie ... but you're talking from a position of what? .. A full time employer / a full time employee /a home maker/a retired person?

I should think each description has its own transport requirements and one size will never fit all

PS Yet another excellent photo at the head of this thread demonstrating the out of rush hour traffic situation in Guernsey.Not quite the M1!

rosie

Ray: As usual, you are more fixated with my circumstances than with the points raised. It's a recurring theme for you! It doesn't matter what position I'm talking from. Facts are facts. Sedentary lifestyles can lead to serious health problems and will cause huge costs that will be born by the community. Rather than look for excuses as to why we should maintain the status quo, it would be more intelligent to see how we can improve that situation. The article is about someone who is intimidated to use the pavement for what they are meant for... walking on. Walking is exercise and so is good for us, as is cycling and therefore both should be encouraged whether it is on your way to get a pint of milk from the garage or to work.

Read Mark's post above. He is trying to cycle to work and is feeling the benefits health wise, but he is also being intimidated by motorists. I have lost count of the number of people who have said to me that they won't walk or cycle because of the cars (or let their children). That's a crazy situation to be in for a such a small island where the vast majority of journeys are probably 2 miles or less.

You might notice that I never suggested that 'one size fits all'. Nor did I suggest that every journey be done on foot or bicycle, but that there should be incentives and encouragement to do so when 'possible'.

Ray

Sorry Rosie,I just believe that someone who pontificates on how the rest of the population should lead their lives as regularly as you do ought to come clean on how much time they have free each day to wait around for a bus,or to cycle hither and thither at their leisure.You may or may not be aware that the vast majority of the population are time limited during the week because of their need to work for a living

Who knows,perhaps they take part in an active sport at weekends,attend a gym or walk their dog every evening. Perhaps even an exercise cycle in the bedroom? Not facts I grant you but pretty strong possibilities

By the way the article is actually a complaint about overgrown hedges .. it has morphed into all sorts of different threads.What do you think of the accompanying picture showing the normal state of the traffic out of Town?

Morphing onwards and upwards .. I religiously followed your lead on recycling because it made sense until I realised that my one black sack every six or seven weeks was costing me £15 to collect and I was doing most of the work! I now put all my newspapers,cardboard,tins,cartons,bottles,food waste,plastics ( are you still there Rosie?)into one half full black sack each week,which still looks good compared to my neighbours' two sacks

Give something to the States to do and it always disappears into the long grass! I understand that kerbside collections MAY start towards the end of 2013 !!!

Rant over

rosie

Sorry Ray, but pots and kettles spring to mind! You can out-pontificate us all on every subject going.... no contest there! I have merely pointed out 2 recent studies that have shown that we need to increase the amount of exercise that we do as an illustration as to why pavements should be maintained, walking encouraged and cycling too. The situation at the moment is that walking and cycling are actively discouraged because of the type and volume of traffic on the roads. In view of the increasing evidence, as seen in these studies, that is not a very sensible policy to have.

Although there are plenty of folk like you Ray in Guernsey, who want to use their car all the time whatever the consequences to themselves, other people or their surroundings, there are also plenty of people who would like to improve their fitness levels and reduce their costs by cycling and walking when they have a suitable journey, but they are too frightened of the roads to do so. And you seem to think that busy people shouldn’t have that option anyway.

You also don't seem to understand that taking your exercise as you travel can save you having to find the extra time, over and above everything else that needs to be done, to fit in a session at the gym so it can work particularly well for busy people.... I know several of them! You also seem to think that people who cycle take forever to get from A to B. Not so. Regular cyclists frequently find it quicker than driving in Guernsey because most journeys here are comparatively short.

You comment (re transport requirements) that 'one size will never fit all'. Here I agree with you 100%. So it is surprising that you continually argue against alternative transport being enabled, seemingly preferring that everyone should have to use their car whether they want to or not.

Your comments/tantrum re your recycling would be better sent to PSD.

Ray

Rosie

Deep down I know you're correct of course,just like the anti-smoking lobby who are right now ever so gently preparing their next step on the ratchet to their final destination of a total smoking ban ... just like all the other anti agitators are right I suppose i.e the anti-nuclear group,the anti-apartheid,anti-communist,anti-slavery,anti-drugs,anti-fox hunting,anti-war,anti-bullying,anti-fascist,anti-poverty,anti-racist,anti-vivisection,anti-death penalty,anti-globalization,anti-capitalism,anti-terror organisations

I try to support them all Rosie,but they're bleeding me dry and then along you come with your anti-car message again ..it's all getting too much

By the way I included the separate rant about recycling in the hope that the few States members who admit to reading TIG pass the message on to Scott Ogier and his anti-getonwithit team so that we can hopefully soon see a bit of progress in that direction

Spartacus

Ray

I totally agree with your stance on rubbish.

On a separate matter altogether I have noticed on twitter that Gill Morris has tweeted to Deputy Green and Deputy Sherbourne about her idea for two Grammar schools.

What a revelation - Spy troll you have let me down!

rosie

Ray: Sorry for bringing this back onto the table but I have just returned from a few days away and seen your reply. I just want to repeat something that I have said oodles of times before but needs repeating. I am not anti car, nor do I think my comments above are. I have a car and I use it and damn useful it is too when I need it. Cars have an important place in our transport mix but they should not be used to an extent that they detract so much from the islands character, as I think they do now, or to the extent that they impact so much on the other forms of travel. In other words, I do not think that they should be the default mode of transport just because we 'like' using them. The cost is too high in many more ways than one.

If journeys made in Guernsey were more equally distributed between cycling, walking, public transport and driving, I believe Guernsey would be a much nicer, healthier and cheaper place to live, for all of us.

(hope that now that it has been announced that kerbside collections will be here sooner than you thought, that you will get back into recycling. Paying for what you throw is also being looked at.)

Guern abroad

When I compare the population total of 30 years ago to now, it is not that much of a jump yet the volume of roads users has exponentially increased. A recent tourist even remarked about the sheer volume of traffic for such a small island.

Guernsey has a problem there is too much traffic.

Ray

Guern abroad

... and the photograph above proves it !

Ray

Rosie

This might be the answer to your prayers?

http://www.gsyfutu.com/?p=18364

Guernseasider

If we're suggesting daft solutions to the old Large Vehicles/Small Roads problem here, then here's my twopenneth..... Why not bring in regulations that ALL private vehicles must have an engine capacity below 1100cc, and ALL commercial vehicles must be a Bedford Rascal ??

Mark

It would surely make sense to say no vehicles wider than 1.8m (for example) rather than limit engine size given the problem is the size of the roads?!

FUB

Simple facts.

Average width of a "mid size" family car in the 70's or 80's such as a Morris Marina was listed as 64 inches.

Mid size car from the present such as a Ford Focus width with Mirrors out listed as 81.1 inches.Mirrors folded still 74 inches.

A "small" Fiat 500 is still 64 inches wide.

A Mini Countryman 70.4 inches.

Road width. Constant.

Lord knows how wide some of the new buses and Lagan lorries are!

CSR

FUB - More simple facts:-

Max width of buses is currently 2.49 metres (8'2" in old money); all Lagan's and other contractor's vehicles involved in the mass haul for the airport project comply with island wide width limit of 2.31 metres (7'6 3/4").

Overwidth vehicles are moved with appropriate escorts - usually early morning.

As you say, more modern vehicles are significantly wider... even the humble 'Mini' is hardly mini anymore.

C'est la vie !

FUB

I wonder if anybody actually measured the width of the green Lagan tractors and trailers. Even on the wide open coast roads they appeare frighteningly wide especially when driven in convoys.

CSR

I can assure you that they have all been measured and comply with the island width restrictions. FYI all vehicles that come into the island, are measured prior to registration locally.

Agreed that they look huge, but that's probably an optical illusion caused by the apparent 'mass' of the vehicle. I saw a local 'tipper' truck the other day that looked enormous when coming towards me, but when I saw it side on, it didn't look half as intimidating.

The convoy aspect I would guess can't be helped where you have several vehicles leaving maybe within 5 minutes of each other as small delays to the first vehicle and not to the subsequent ones means that they all end up one behind the other. Given the length of the journeys in each direction, this is even more likely to happen.

WorksbothWays

The cars have got wider to accomodate wider bodies!

Spartacus

They need to make pavements wider too then!

Guern abroad

We have made getting wider to easily accommodated, but making roads and pavements wider is not the way to go, no pun intended but it is a step too far.

We should be looking instead to address the West's glutony as it is health and globally detremential.

Spartacus

Ban the great big cars! Unlike commercial vehicles private car owners seem to think their tank size vehicles are suitable for all Guernsey's lanes and parking spaces. They are generally not trained or skilled to drive them safely or considerately and seem more concerned with the dominance it allows them over other drivers.

Perhaps the "wing" of the crown pier should be for supersize vehicles only and they should be banned from using all other normal size parking spaces which they tend to fill completely leaving inadequate room for maneuver for others to park in the adjacent spaces.

Macaroni

I agree our roads are not suitable for so many large vehicles, buses, lorries, etc. Exactly why, from a safety point of view, the application for the equestrian centre at Oatlands cannot go ahead. Huge 4x4's and horse trailers in large numbers for regular shows, etc. will be an accident waiting to happen. I believe it is high time serious thought is given to the width of the roads and volume of traffic and I also think the hedges should be cut 3 times during the summer.

Ed

In addition to the safety hazard that such large vehicles pose, the large volumes of pollution that is generated is detrimental towards human wellbeing- air pollution is another substantial cause of respiratory disorders alongside tobacco smoking. The once pure and fresh air of our Island is being impoverished by the toxic bi-products of these vehicles.

If no diligence is displayed by the environment or our States team, during the forthcoming decades the situation would have deteriorated insomuch that tourists would have labeled Guernsey as the "Big Smoke of the English Channel"!

The next discussion maybe irrelevant to this article, but it is of topical concern regarding the proposed equestrian centre.

The large convoys of horse trailers that will travel to anf from the proposed equestrian centre (if the initiative materialises) are going to act as a source of visual and, to a degree, noise pollution for nearby residents- something that the ignoramuses in favour of embarking on this abysmal enterprise centre are evidently oblivious to.

Paul

Forgive me for intruding your arguements for and against different size vehicles but I seem to think that this headline was actually about hedges overgrowing footpaths ?

As someone who drives daily from around the airport area in my apparently too big vehicle the one thing that I notice is nothing to do with size , the fact is that anyone visiting the island in a small ( allegedly perfect sized ) car is that warning signs such as "crossroads" and "STOP" are hidden from view , with the possibility of causing serious injury or even death because people are too lazy to cut their hedges properly and get tractors to cut them which cannot reach around metal poles.

Forget the size of vehicles , that irrelevant in this conversation, and re the subject of larger vehicles paying more , that already in place - in the form of fuel prices , larger vehicles usually have larger engines , which means larger fuel consumption which also means more tax paid at the pump.

My vehicle is probably bigger than needed but I make the concious decision to keep it , its most certainly not a status symbol , if it was then my status would probably be "down and out" LOL

Paying an extra 5 or 10 quid a week than a motorised shopping trolley is a lot cheaper than losing a couple of thousand pounds every few years keeping up with the neighbours.

Its safe and well maintained but definatly not pretty ...

Guern

Paul, good to see some one else excepts that all to ften the thread of the headline gets lost and taken over by people who just want to moan about anything.

You are quite correct in the fact that signs that are covered by over grown hedges are a accident waiting to happen much more that some one driving a larger vehicle meeting a jamjar on the road!

Ed

Yes, such discussions maybe irrelevant on this particular occasion but such issues are nevertheless of paramount importance in regards to the public highway and the welfare of drivers/passengers, pedestrians and the nearby community. They, therefore, justify lengthy discussion.

These forums serve the indispensable purpose of enabling members of the community who are concerned with such matters to voice their opinions. The exchanging of different ideas, attitudes and beliefs within this forum can help us, as a community, acknowledge and perhaps address the potentially deleterious consequences associated with the sizes of certain vehicles,and other topical matters pertaining to the public highway and its users.

Devil's Advocate

How about the police start doing people for breaking the law that states that vehicles over 2 tonnes are not allowed faster than 20mph? That would soon sort out the Range rover/Discovery/LWB shogun & X5 owners!

Nimrod

Also any 2 wheel trailer of any kind being towed by a car (on it's way to chouet recycling or composting etc) is also subject to a 20mph limit. Re cyclers take care.....