Green light given to Environment member's request

THE Environment Department has given the go-ahead to plans from one of its own members to create a new vehicle access and driveway.

Deputy Yvonne Burford had to leave yesterday’s planning meeting when members decided on her application to remove a section of earth bank to create the new access at La Roda Farm, Rue de L’Eglise in St Saviour’s. (Picture by Steve Sarre, 1283519)
Deputy Yvonne Burford had to leave yesterday’s planning meeting when members decided on her application to remove a section of earth bank to create the new access at La Roda Farm, Rue de L’Eglise in St Saviour’s. (Picture by Steve Sarre, 1283519)

THE Environment Department has given the go-ahead to plans from one of its own members to create a new vehicle access and driveway.

Deputy Yvonne Burford had to leave yesterday’s planning meeting when members decided on her application to remove a section of earth bank to create the new access at La Roda Farm, Rue de L’Eglise in St Saviour’s.

The joint application from Deputy Burford and Gary Elson was approved unanimously by the four other members of the board.

The property comprises two separate dwellings on Rue de L’Eglise. One is a traditional farmhouse known as La Roda Farm and the other is an attached barn conversion known as La Roda Cottage.

The vehicle access will serve La Roda Farm.

Comments for: "Green light given to Environment member's request"

Graham

No surprise there

Stiletto

Hello Deputy Burford

I do hope, having now been 100% successful in your planning request, for a hole in your wall/'earthbank' for vehicular access and, driveway, that you and your colleagues will bring to bear whatever power is needed to reconsider Mr Milln's plans for exactly the same request?

Do you own the barn conversion, if so, are you both at some later stage facing the possibility of caring for elderly parents? It is a possibility and in some cases, a fact for a lot of us.

Of course I appreciate that your site totally differs from Mr Milln's.

Your comments please.

on the beach

so did it go like this?

YB: please excuse me from this item as I have an interest in it, you're not going to reject it are you?

Env Board: Yes you are excused, now shall we approve it with impartiallity? Hardly now that YB has said that it's hers

hurrumpf

FireStar

Bit of a foregone conclusion, non?

Matti

Aren't we always told earth banks are part of Guernsey's heritage and must be preserved at all costs? Not when it concerns a member of Environment itself, it appears. The double standard beggars belief.

Geoff

What you must all understand this was done within planning laws.

Shows how flexable they can be within the laws when it suits!

JamieC

The Rural & Urban Area Plans appear loose, sloppy and intentionally open to interpretation by the planners. Easy to argue that favoured person gets permission whereas another is unlikely.

So in fact, the 2005 Planning Law (which is fairly precise) and the RAP/UAP are very different animals. One deals with the absolute and objective, the other a loose subjective.

Planners can (and do) make it up as they go along. All they ever have to face is a Tribunal with whom they are on first name terms. Royal Court is gone (except for points of Law - never had one of those yet), so it's open season on the disadvantaged.

Compare the ratio of planning reversals now to the ratio in the past...I think it's 1:4 now, whereas I remember the endless criticism of the Jurats and Court in the past.

The political Planning Panel will presumably follow the advice of the (civil service) Director of Planning Services in determining an application. That's on the few occasions that they actually make any decision themselves as most decisions are made under a 'delegated authority' by the same Director of Planning.

I'm sure he's impartial when it comes to his political masters, to avoid even the perception of bias.

Well, there goes any 'planning' that I might ever want in the future.

-------

http://www.gov.gg/article/3440/The-Planning-and-Development-Guernsey-Law-2005

http://www.gov.gg/article/3445/Urban-and-Rural-Area-Plans

Paul

according to the planning tribunal "The appeal tribunal decided that the banks were important features of the landscape" when stopping that poor farmer from removing them earlier in the week.

be interesting to see, in the history of time, how many members of the government have left planning meetings, only to return and find their proposals rejected. could it be zero???

Brian

I was always under the impression that earth banks and gateways were sacrosanct. I would suggest therefore that all those who have had their applications refused on the grounds of spoiling the appearance be given the opportunity to (re)appeal.

Stiletto

@Paul, good point, have already posted my support on the Vauxbelets issue.

I don't wish to sink into petty reasoning, but bearing in mind the geographical situation here, I trust Environment have fully ensured that there are no historical significances about to be demolished.

flyer

Lets wait now for change of use of prime agricultural land into a garden! Now they couldnt possibly rent it out to a farmer,with smelly cows, or noisy tractors, this is the country side, with peace and quiet! so a 10 vergee sized garden is what we need instead. Cue the application in next weeks press!

Ray

That reminds me of my cousin who a few years back complained about the noise caused in the early mornings by a pig kept in a field next to his house

The owner accepted that there was a problem and took the pig to the vet.My cousin was pleased with the end result but the poor pig was very disgruntled

markB

I can just see it now...Tastefully converted semi detached barn for sale, with its own access £595.000. Also Semi detached Farmhouse for sale ...£795.000.

Yvonne Burford

I am not sure what some posters actually think I should do.

For clarity, as stated by JamieC, if I were not a member of Environment my application would be dealt with by the planners under delegated authority and not go before the Board. However, to avoid accusations of bias (clearly a forlorn hope) all planning applications, however minor, made by a Board member are put before an open planning meeting. Should I simply not make any planning applications for the four years that I serve on Environment?

I am sorry that I am not allowed, as requested by one poster above, to comment on other people's planning applications.

Flyer, we do have fields surrounding our house and we have let them out to a farmer with cows. However they are not smelly cows, but rather charming ones. For what it is worth, we have also reduced the rent to the farmer significantly in exchange for him ceasing to use pesticides and herbicides on the fields, to encourage birds and insects. As will have been seen from the planning application, we will also be constructing over 30m of traditional earth banks to clearly delineate our garden from the field behind and to compensate for the 4m that will be removed to provide an access. At present the only access is over the adjoining property.

The entire planning application and report together with conditions applied and how it relates to the planning laws and policies is available on the States website. If having read it anyone still feels that the decision was unreasonable then I would respectfully suggest that they contact the planning department with their concerns.

I am trying to encourage more people to stand at the next election, more women in particular. But when one cannot go about one's normal life without a deluge of insinuations that there has been some kind of fix or done deal, it is hardly surprising so few people actually bother.

Ray

YB

Don't let the buggers get you down.Have a word with Dave Jones who has experienced a similar problem

SomeBlerk

Damned if you do, damned if you don't!

You MUST have known that this was going to happen?

Just leave it a few days and all the conspiracy theorists will go back to moaning about the Police...

Lindsay Mitchell

Well, I think Yvonne Burford should be congratulated and given due respect for having confronted and clarified the issues raised here in a very straighforward and reasonable manner. I can think of few, if any, politicians who would have done the same.

Many people in high office fail to understand and put into practice the simple craft of communicating with the public and would frankly have said nothing and refused to communicate under these circumstances.

I do hope that Yvonne Burford will continue to encourage more people to stand at the next election and a broader spectrum of people are vitally needed in the political arena.

rosie

Unfortunately there are several posters on this site only too quick and willing to post unpleasant and inflammatory comments without bothering to find out the facts or even often, reading the whole article. That, along with the frequent name-calling results in lowering the quality of debate to a point where the vast majority of people ( certainly everyone I know) won't even consider posting a comment and that's a huge shame.

As Yvonne also rightly says, it is hardly suprising so few people stand for election when they are opening themselves up for constant often unsubstantiated criticism. The only people likely to put their names forward will be those with skins as thick as a rhinoceros - not the kind of person you would associate with 'listening' to or considering the ordinary person.