Tributes paid to 'an icon of South Africa'

TRIBUTES have been made to South Africa’s first black president, Nelson Mandela, who has died aged 95.

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TRIBUTES have been made to South Africa’s first black president, Nelson Mandela, who has died aged 95.

The Nobel Peace Prize winning campaigner against apartheid, pictured right, died at his home in Johannesburg last night.

He had been fighting a battle against a lung infection.

One tribute came from Deputy Mary Lowe, who has visited the place where Mandela was held for more than 27 years in jail before becoming presidency in 1994.

‘Visiting Nelson Mandela’s prison cell and seeing the conditions he lived in for so long on Robben Island, Cape Town, will stay with me forever,’ she said.

‘What a remarkable man who showed so much courage throughout his life, a truly remarkable man. Gone but never forgotten.’

Deputy Heidi Soulsby said she had been to South Africa in September and was left in no doubt how deeply Mr Mandela was loved.

‘A day we knew would come but just hoped never would,’ she said. ‘An icon of South Africa.’

Comments for: "Tributes paid to 'an icon of South Africa'"

King Maker

Mandela was a remarkable man, however he was imprisoned in the first place for building, planting and setting off bombs, which killed among others Women and Children – both white and black.

Apartheid was and is an awful injustice and is thankfully a thing of the past.

Indeed – one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist – put the flags back at full mast.

soph

What an amazing man, he will go down as a major icon in history for centuries to come

Never aware that he was personally involved in atrocities

Peace to All

St Marcouf

Nelson Mandela, a convicted criminal and a communist to boot, is not held in high esteem in all quarters.

Yet news coverage following the man's death would appear to indicate otherwise; it has been all positive and glowing.

I remember when another world leader died recently, Margaret Thatcher, that news coverage was split between positive and negative views to reflect a balanced reportage following her death.

Indeed, the BBC went out of its way to film people dancing on Thatcher's grave, burning effigies, and interviewing the likes of Mrs Scargill and union men.

How typical that balance has been thrown out of the window on this occasion.

How typical too that the media in this day and age, and even many of our deputies it seems, should adulate and idolise a terrorist and saboteur.

Martino

Mandela was the key to a relatively smooth and blood free transition from undemocratic apartheid state to democratic non racist state. For that reason alone he is/was a giant of a man. Your contrarian viewpoint will provoke a huge and angry response, I guess, but I think our Chief Minister, Deputy Peter Harwood, hardly a terrorist supporting rabid lefty, had it right when he described Mandela as a truly great man.

PLP

I agree Martino. Whatever Mandela's past may have been, to me his transformation into a man committed to peace and reconciliation only reinforces his stature.

Imprisonment and hard labour for over 20 years would have broken and embittered most men, but not Nelson Mandela. He came out and instead of seeking vengeance, ended up as President with an agenda to unite and reconcile South Africa.

Was he perfect? Of course not - nevertheless it is right to acknowledge him as a great man and focus on the hugely positive influence he had on the world in the latter years of his life.

Matt Fallaize

PLP,

Was it he who was transformed or was it the West's perception of him?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/06/conservative-party-uncomfortable-nelson-mandela

PLP

I think it's fair to say there was a transformation - but my opinion doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things and I've got little time for scoring political points out of his death such as The Guardian seem to be attempting here.

He is rightly remembered as a great man, an example of forgiveness and dignity after experiences that would have broken most men.

That's good enough for me.

Beanjar

I agree with your comment, St Marcouf. In many cases those who were so quick to spit on Thatcher's grave are the very same people announcing Mandela's sainthood. I don't dispute that in the end he was good for South Africa but that does not wipe clean his violent past. No doubt people will say the same of Martin McGuinness in years to come. Good deeds may balance out evil ones to some extent but can never remove them, that would be tantamount to rewriting history. That is what is happening here, those who win wars get to call themselves 'freedom fighters' instead of terrorists.

bcb

Thats fine Beanjar but why did you support Thatcher knowing some (or maybe all) of what she did (east timor for one) but have a different view of Mandela?

Beanjar

You are trying to equate Thatcher with a convicted terrorist bomber? I don't understand your post at all.

bcb

Well try to understand this then She was implicit in the slaughter of many in east timor when she decided to sell the arms that were used to carry out the massacre of those people.

Look up the filthy scumbags she befriended and supported in their murderess campaigns against innocent poor people who most often had no voice.

And you cant see the connection between what your saying about Mandela and thatcher? what she did or supported in many cases is nothing short of terrorism but here in the west we call it by a different name when its us thats doing it.

Thatcher should have been convicted along with many other western leaders in my opinion

Someone Prepared to Stand up

St Marcouf

What would you have done if the Germans had continued to occupy our Island?? Become a collaborator and held little protests by painting Vs (for Victory) all over the place??

What would you have done if the Germans had populated the Island with their own countrymen, stopped your children being educated, made you travel on separate buses and live in sub standard housing?

I take it from your reply you would have done nothing and jumped in bed with the Germans in more than one way.

So what if you had fought against the occupying German force, and bombed them and possibly caused 'collateral damage' by killing a few Islanders along the way but with the greater goal in mind of liberating the Island itself?

Don't worry St Marcouf, if the Island is ever occupied the 'Freedom Fighters' won't be banging on your door. We'll let you sit comfortably at home making your narrow minded judgements.

Beanjar

You idiot, you are 'standing up' in support of cowardly murder through his bombing of shopping centres etc. Just like the IRA. How can that ever be right? And how can he ever be completely absolved without renouncing or apologizing for what he did?

PLP

That is an excellent point. Mandela's actions (like all history) needs to be placed in the context of the time he lived in, rather than judged in hindsight from the comfort of our generally free society.

In St Marcouf's world, the likes of Claus von Stauffenberg, Oskar Schindler and the Tienanmen Square protesters cannot be admired because they broke their country's laws.

Incidentally, for those who despise Margaret Thatcher, her intransigence may have done much harm but I'm pretty sure the Falkland Islanders are very grateful she wasn't one to roll over. Sometimes the very characteristics that make people despised by some, make them great to others.

Beanjar

That is a really weak post from you, PLP. You cite a man who failed to assassinate Hitler, a man who saved hundreds of Jews and martyrs of the murderous regime in China. (Which, incidentally, the States sucks up to at every opportunity.) All totally dissimilar to Mandela's crimes which, to remind you, included the cold blooded random murder of innocent civilians at shopping centres etc. etc. A much closer simile would be Gerry Adams or Martin McGuinness, probably another couple of your folk heroes. Who cares about the hundreds of civilians murdered and maimed by the IRA?, all in a good cause, eh?

Neil Forman

PLP

Excellent post! Totally agree.

Another hero who whilst not a member of The ANC, was used by them in their campaigns. This will give you a bit of context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Biko

There was a film made about him called Cry Freedom.

St Marcouf

PLP

What are you talking about?

Firstly it is you who is judging the context of the time in which Mandela lived by today's morals and standards of equality in justifying his cause and terrorist activities.

Secondly, he was not a deprived or downtrodden man, he was part of the elite and he went to boarding schools, university, and became a lawyer.

What you are therefore indicating is that it would be acceptable for someone like a well connected advocate in Guernsey to form and lead a group like the IRA or the Federation de Liberation du Quebec, to lie and deceive, and terrorise the island into becoming independent, imposing Guernesiais, and granting Guernsey birthright.

Regardless of any of this, my original point remains that Mandela was someone who divided opinion and had bad form yet this has been virtually deleted from history and the reporting of his death.

It just demonstrates how dishonest and hippocritical human nature is.

Beanjar

I don't think you know what you are talking about, Neil. You suggest that the probable murder of Steve Biko by the S.A. police in some way justified Mandela's cowardly bombing campaign murdering innocent civilians? How can that be when Mandela's terrorist crimes were around 1962 but Biko didn't die until 1977?

Spartacus

"I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities.

It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die."

Mandela Rivonia trial defense speech in full, well worth reading:

http://www.rfksafilm.org/html/speeches/mandela.php

Beanjar

What a load of pious bs, was he referring to the people his organisation was murdering on a random basis? Where are the "harmony and equal opportunities" in S.A. for the white population or their mainly black employees who are murdered on a daily basis? This nonsense reminds me of Orwell's 1984 where the proles (that's you) are told who to love and who to hate by Big Brother and history gets constantly 'revised'. Thats also worth reading.

Sjaak.Angenent. South Africa.

Shame on you St Marcouf,

Shame on you St Marcouf

Good job you don't live in South Africa, you would be a very lonely person.

You obviously don't know much about this remarkable Icon Mandela.

I have lived in S.A for the last eleven years after spending most of my life in Guernsey,.

I can not begin how much Mandela is LOVED and respected in S.A.

I suggest you read some of his books and talk to the people of S.A.

I together with most people in SA cried today not so much he died at a good old age, but because this MAN saved this country and was the most humble and forgiving person to make this happen.

Mandela would forgive you for your comments, not so sure I would...

RIP Father of this nation Madiba

like a kid

st marcouf you idiot! mandela surely PREVENTED the possibility of thousands of violent deaths after his release from the racist chains that held him for all those years. thatcher was an open apologist for racist aparteid for many years and openly courted fascists like pinochet in chile. birds of a feather stuck together. people who organised against aparteid, pinochet's dictatorship and thatcher (when she used the force of the state to systematically defeat the uk working class throughout the 1980s) were on the right side, for so many reasons. i hope young people can learn from independent history, mandela's example and and take forward the international struggle for basic freedoms, justice and equality. (honestly, you can do that and still go to the pub).

Beanjar

Can you think of a good reason for the President of South Africa to be filmed singing about killing white people? Its on Youtube if you are interested in a balanced view of Mandela, ignore if you just want to idolize him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKiePbTcAfY

And its more than just singing, the murder rate against whites is classed as genocide. http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

Personally, I wouldn't have given him the Nobel Peace Prize - at least until he had publicly renounced violence and apologized to the families of the many people his terrorist group murdered.

St Marcouf

Surely you can't pick and choose whether terrorism is bad dependent on the cause.

Surely a great man would go about achieving his objectives without recourse to violence and terrorism.

Surely a great man would at least renounce terrorism upon being released from prison early.

Surely a great man would not be guilty of any of the following crimes :

• One count under the South African Suppression of Communism Act No. 44 of 1950, charging that the accused committed acts calculated to further the achievement of the objective of communism;

• One count of contravening the South African Criminal Law Act (1953), which prohibits any person from soliciting or receiving any money or articles for the purpose of achieving organized defiance of laws and country; and

• Two counts of sabotage, committing or aiding or procuring the commission of the following acts:

1) The further recruitment of persons for instruction and training, both within and outside the Republic of South Africa, in:

(a) the preparation, manufacture and use of explosives—for the purpose of committing acts of violence and destruction in the aforesaid Republic, (the preparation and manufacture of explosives, according to evidence submitted, included 210,000 hand grenades, 48,000 anti-personnel mines, 1,500 time devices, 144 tons of ammonium nitrate, 21.6 tons of aluminum powder and a ton of black powder);

(b) the art of warfare, including guerrilla warfare, and military training generally for the purpose in the aforesaid Republic;

(ii) Further acts of violence and destruction, (including 193 counts of terrorism committed between 1961 and 1963);

(iii) Acts of guerrilla warfare in the aforesaid Republic;

(iv) Acts of assistance to military units of foreign countries when involving the aforesaid Republic;

(v) Acts of participation in a violent revolution in the aforesaid Republic, whereby the accused, injured, damaged, destroyed, rendered useless or unserviceable, put out of action, obstructed, with or endangered:

(a) the health or safety of the public;

(b) the maintenance of law and order;

(c) the supply and distribution of light, power or fuel;

(d) postal, telephone or telegraph installations;

(e) the free movement of traffic on land; and

(f) the property, movable or immovable, of other persons or of the state.

Phil

I'm a tad hungover this morning and thought to myself "surely there can't be TWO people so stupid to be having a go at Nelson" and the I saw the names, St Marcouf and Beanjar. Between then they'd struggle to equal the IQ of a pig's trotter, so it all fell into place.....

Beanjar

Phil, wouldn't you be better off having a lie-in or reading a history book rather than show yourself up as an ignorant dunce seeking to jump on the bandwagon, as usual?

vic gamble

,,,for you badly informed floating folk out there,mainly Beanjar and St Marcouf, Mandela was never a member of the Communist Party....agreed he was keenly equated with their beliefs and they in turn (the only political party to do so)supported the anger that Africans felt about their plight under white Christian racist fascist police... Mandela is having a Christian burial so it must strike some of you dimwits that he does not follow Communist doctrines...but perhaps not, 'cos dimwits is always dimwits!

Firefly

The anc only changed from a policy of peaceful resistance to that of a more violent resistance campaign because decades of peaceful resistance did not work in forcing constitutional reforms (including freedom and human rights of a majority). Nelson Mandela was originally committed to peaceful resistance and I am sure the decision for violent resistance was not easy at all and something the like of Mandela would also have to live with.

Nelson Mandela was a lawyer turned politician, he joined the struggle at huge personal risk (literally risking his life) to try and force change for the people of south Africa. He sacrificed his life for this cause.

Let's us not also forget that without the leadership of Mandela south Africa could very well have had a civil war in the early 90,s

I was in south Africa at these times and realise what this man did and what he symbolised and I think I am qualified to give an opinion.

St Marcouf and Beanjar your comments are valid but in the contact of what was going on in south Africa the violent resistance campaign was the last resort and when constitutional reform happens there was a peaceful transition into a democratic republic which was a miracle in its own right.

I would ask that you please respect what this man did for a nation and the sacrifices he had to make.

Beanjar

'Saint Nelson' certainly was a communist as well as a ruthless terrorist and lied to suit his objectives. Even ANC records and his former comrades say so. Brainwashed lefties will never accept the truth but the it is out there for anybody not too blind to see:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/nelson-mandela/9731522/Nelson-Mandela-proven-to-be-a-member-of-the-Communist-Party-after-decades-of-denial.html

Most World governments accepted Mandela as the least worst option for SA's future, which he probably was. Polishing up his image by rewriting history and using schools to dispense a sanitised version of events is never acceptable.

Colimachon

I agree with St Marcouf and Beanjar, during his time in office Mandela did NOTHING to support traditional Guernsey values and industry.

I bet he got his tomatoes from the mainland and rarely went to the Viaer Marchi, if at all. When he made beanjar I daresay he used belly pork and not a trotter, like you're supposed to.

I imagine his Guernsey French was very limited at best and he probably only went to the West Show in the afternoon to go to the funfair and walked right past the Crown & Anchor and the pageant.

Andy

A great man it is a shame those that follow will be just as racist and brutal as the people he fought against.