Queen 'content' island not at Cenotaph service

THE Queen is ‘content’ with arrangements that exclude Guernsey from the Remembrance Day Cenotaph service in London, the Prime Minister has said.

Remembrance Sunday
Queen Elizabeth II stands at the Cenotaph memorial in Whitehall, central London, during the annual Remembrance Sunday service

THE Queen is ‘content’ with arrangements that exclude Guernsey from the Remembrance Day Cenotaph service in London, the Prime Minister has said.

Confirmation of Her Majesty’s position follows a request from the All-Party Parliamentary Channel Islands Group vice chair, Andrew Rosindell, that the Crown Dependencies and Overseas Territories be allowed to lay a wreath at the annual ceremony.

‘I can assure you that there is no question of seeking to purposefully exclude the representatives of these nations from the Cenotaph ceremony on any basis,’ said Prime Minister David Cameron in a letter to the MP.

‘The make-up of the Cenotaph service has remained unchanged over the years and I understand that the royal household is content with the current arrangements for the Remembrance Day service.’

Mr Rosindell did not believe it was Buckingham Palace blocking a change – he said it was those with responsibility seeking to avoid the bureaucracy it would bring.

‘If the Prime Minister recommended to the Queen or Buckingham Palace that next year he wanted to introduce the Overseas Territories laying their own wreath or even just the Channel Islands I’m in no doubt that the Queen or the royal household would say that’s absolutely fine,’ he said.

Comments for: "Queen 'content' island not at Cenotaph service"

nicky, St Peter Port

The typical reply from a politician.

Bearing in mind the Islands' contribution to the nation's war dead over many centuries, we should pursue this matter to fruition.

milly

well that will stop gsy and jsy fighting over who will lay the wreath.

Dan

This is a whole lot of fuss over nothing. We have our own services on Remembrance Day and whether we lay a wreath in London or not, it will not change our feelings and respect towards those who lost their lives in war.

nicky@St Peter Port

Of course Her Majesty is "content" with the present arrangements. It all depends on how the question was put to her.

GSYFRED

I was there.

She was FUMING!

Dave Jones

GSYFRED

That's very funny

I love it .

Tony Webber

This matter is being pursued and Andrew Rosindell, MP, is being a great help.

It is appalling that UK politician are using Her Majesty the Queen when they haven't even asked her properly.

This is a political decision and the Queen takes the advice given to her by her Prime Minister.

I am sure Her Majesty will be fuming about this, but privately of course. She cannot publicly criticise politicians.

All parts of the British Isles have their own Sunday Cenotaph Services, the same as we do.

What this campaign is all about is Guernsey and Jersey having the same recognition as everyone else at the national service in London.

After all, all Commonwealth countries lay their own wreaths, so why not the Crown Dependencies.

It simply cannot be right that no wreath is currently laid on behalf of Guernsey and Jersey.

I am sure that after many years of lack of recognition of the contribution by the Channel Islands, that will at last be put right.

Martino

Tony, here's some news for you. Nobody apart from one or two very sad people give a flying fig as to whether or not these islands are directly represented at the Cenotaph. As Dan said in post number 3 THIS IS A WHOLE LOT OF FUSS OVER NOTHING. Do you get it now?

scrutiny today

I point you here for a reason why...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/papers-reveal-islanders-collaboration-with-nazis-1560945.html

like a kid

tell you what tony - attach the following words IN BIG BOLD TYPE to your wreaths and i'm with you all the way.

Dulce Et Decorum Est

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,

Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,

Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs

And towards our distant rest began to trudge.

Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots

But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;

Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots

Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.

GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling,

Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;

But someone still was yelling out and stumbling

And floundering like a man in fire or lime.--

Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light

As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,

He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace

Behind the wagon that we flung him in,

And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,

His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;

If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood

Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,

Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud

Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest

To children ardent for some desperate glory,

The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est

Pro patria mori.

Wilfred Owen (1893 to 1918)

Tony Webber

I am a great fan of Wilfred Owen so no objection to his work being included in Remembrance events.

The fact that Guernsey and Jersey have not had an invitation to lay a wreath is nothing to do with the Channel Islands being occupied.

We were in no different a position to France, and thankfully we were all eventually liberated.

Channel Islanders have made huge contributions in conflicts since the First World War, and many people feel it is time that this was recognised at the national Sunday Cenotaph service.

I agree that it is obviously not the most important political issue, but that doesn't mean that this wrong should not be put right.

Andrew Rosindell,MP, the Vice Chairman of the All Party Parliamentary Group, has spoken with both Senator Ian Gorst and Deputy Peter Harwood and received a positive response from them for his efforts.

He is now awaiting a meeting with the Prime Minister and Maria Miller on the subject, and I am hopeful of a positive outcome.

JohnT

What is goin on, the war ended over 70 years ago and now this subject is now being brought up.

I bet HM is wondering why this is important now but not in the past.

No worries she has been on Google and checked out those pushing for it, hence her being not bothered.

Tony Webber

John,

The reason this has more significance now is because it is the centenary of the start of the First World War in 2014, and the Royal Guernsey Light Infantry in particular suffered horrendous casualties.

In Guernsey, we will be doing something extra to commemorate this.

Likewise, it is important that we have the national recognition for the part Guernsey played in not just that war, but in the many conflicts since then.

It is true that the Remembrance period is seen as more significant than in the recent past. This is probably to do with the fact that the war in Afghanistan has reminded people of the sacrifices made by many in numerous conflicts during and since the Second World War.

It is very easy on the internet to make a comment that the Queen is not "bothered," but it is in fact quite disrespectful to say that, particularly as Her Majesty cannot engage in political discourse.

Her Majesty has to go along with what her politicians advise her, which is why Andrew Rosindell is going to speak with the Prime Minister and Maria Miller to get them to ensure an invitation is given to Guernsey and Jersey to attend the cenotaph service, like other Commonwealth countries.

The campaign for the Channel Islands to lay wreaths is not just now coming up. It has actually been building up for some years and now has a great deal of support, politically and otherwise.

Andrew Rosindell in fact laid his Early Day Parliamentary motion in 2010 and it received major cross party support and NO opposition.

This was supposed to happen this year in 2013 but did not go ahead, not due to the Queen, but the government, for no logical reason at all.

Island Wide Voting

I can't quite get my head around the idea of celebrating the START of the First World War

Surely it would make more sense to celebrate the END of that war

Beanjar

I think it will actually turn into the start of 4 long years of commemoration. Very, very long years. I'm sure 11/11/18 will be huge. Personally I just hope they don't turn remembering those poor souls who died in WWI into a recruitment drive to get cannon fodder for current lost causes and misadventures.