Police want to get road users 'to live together'

GUERNSEY Police will look to work with road users next year to help alleviate ‘tensions’.

GUERNSEY Police will look to work with road users next year to help alleviate ‘tensions’.

Traffic Sergeant John Tostevin, pictured, said there were ongoing problems between cyclists, drivers and pedestrians as nobody was willing to ‘live together’.

‘We need to start getting all the groups together and discuss how to move forward in a safe way.

‘I think it is causing tensions – cyclists and pedestrians don’t engage with each other.’

His comments come after a digger driver was left with cuts to his lips and damaged teeth after being punched for telling a cyclist he should not be cycling on the pavement.

Comments for: "Police want to get road users 'to live together'"

Frank

That will only work when the everyone observes road signs and the rules of the road. Too many cyclists think they are exempt. Time for registration numbers on push bikes so that the arrogant few who think they are not bound by the law can be identified and dealt with. They know that at present they can get away with anything.

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Frank

That will only work when the everyone observes road signs and the rules of the road. Too many motorists think they are exempt. Time for registration numbers of the offenders should be sent to the Police so that the arrogant few who think they are not bound by the law can be identified and dealt with. They know that at present they can get away with anything.

As a cyclist and a motorist Frank it will only work if both sides agree and observe the law.

Geezerboy. I agree, too many cyclists ride without lights and helmets and not only do they put themselves at risk, but motorists too. A good set of lights are cheaper than a fixed penalty ticket that these people should get. They might only do it the once

James

Dear dear. Another comment about the supposed benefits/necessity of wearing helmets.

It's tiresome to have to repeat this again, but there is little evidence for overall benefit of wearing helmets while cycling, and no consensus amongst experts on whether recommending or mandating helmet use would be of help in the twin goals of reducing cyclist deaths and improving the overall health of the population.

They're also not mandatory, so lumping them in with using lights (which are) is not helpful.

And please don't reply by quoting some anecdotal case of where a helmet "saved your life" or how "James Cracknell is only alive today because of his helmet". Anecdotes are not scientific evidence (and James Cracknell is paid by a helmet company).

and the BBC view

Dear dear me another naysayer moaning about comments about helmets and their safety effects.

I dont see within the post that I said that helmets should be mandatory, it is simple comman sense to wear one.

Rather than bore James to sleep as he appears to be one of the many who want to moan for the sake of it all I can say is that the three times that I have had the misfortune to fall from a bike, my head may have been worse off if I had not chosen to wear a helmet. Please read James, chosen is the word not mandatory and look, no anecdotes either from others.

My understanding about James Cracknell is that at the time of his accident he was not being sponsored, but thereafter he was a highlighted the use of cycle helmets.

geezerboy

well said frank, the amount of bikes being ridden without lights is disgracefull, also I have had to break sometimes by the cycle lane opposite the top of the track, as they just turn on to the zebra crossing,

James

Yet another bit of evidence as to why the "cycle lane" (actually just a white line painted on a pavement) shouldn't be there.

Huey

Seem to remember in the late 60's early 70's bikes had a disc of some sort on them or was that just the hire bikes

BadDonkey

Was cycle tax as there were more bikes than Cars.

I think frank is stereotyping cyclists , not clever.

James

I lived in Belgium for several years, which had a license plating (and thereby taxing) system. It was completely pointless, as you can imagine. Try spotting the license plate number of some offending cyclist as they ride away from you when the numbers are 8mm high on a plate the size of a couple of matchboxes.

It just ended up being a bureaucracy for its own sake, raising little revenue and achieving nothing.

Peter

Time for a road licence for cyclists and a road tax to pay for the special right of way they have.

Beanjar

This is the police showing us how they can be 'non-judgmental' I presume. The 'You're all as bad as each other' approach. No need, the laws are there boys, just enforce them! The police are quick enough to 'do' motorists but have they ever taken action against any cyclist, whatever they have done? We have all experienced suicide jockeys with no lights, plonkers ignoring road signs and pillocks tormenting motorists by peddling along 2 or 3 abreast while having a chat. I know somebody who frequently falls off his bike totally drunk but he is still a road user and could cause a serious accident.

When it suits cyclists they expect as much room as a bus, next they become pedestrians and pedal across a crossing - its infuriating. Why are they so damn aggressive? Peddling like lunatics and regularly cussing pedestrians out on the way to work.

Start prosecuting a few and lets see if they can learn how to behave themselves. By the way, I am an occasional cyclist as well as a motorist, as are many people. So its not a case of 'us vs them', its about respect and consideration for others.

Burdock

I fail to see the problem with cycling across zebra crossings if you wait for the cars to stop rather than just turning quickly onto the crossing (thinking in particular of the crossing at the end of Track lane). It means that the drivers have to wait less time and enables the cyclist to stay on the bike as the camber of the road on the land side means it is difficult to get back on a bike.

zab

Does not pedestrian mean on foot? One of the worst places for lycra louts is the top of Victoria Avenue, how many fatalities there over the years? I nearly had one there the other day, as usual wearing a helmet, well it may come as a surprise but wearing a helmet does not make you immortal or wise if you are going to cycle like a jerk!

ChrisJ

Yeah, why are they so DAMN aggressive?! THEY. And their DAMN AGGRESSION!! AARGH!

vicky

ha ha I may well have been aggressive towards a lady driving a car who drove into me while I was stopped one time

FUB

Frank

You should take a turn on a bike sometime, see how many drivers of cars buses and motorbikes that think they own the road and disobey signs, have no regard for other users before you start having a go at all cyclists.

Clp

I cycle, drive cars and motorbike and am also a pedestrian, I see bad cyclists and motorists and also pedestrians who don't look before the cross a cycle path or road, I also people who are just plain rude in all camps.

I agree cyclists who are obviously breaking the law should be penalised but the same applies for bad motorists.

I agree with the police this is more a case of all parties having a little bit of patience and tolerance.

On my bike at times on the road it is like playing space invaders with the amount of cars busses etc in such a rush to get anywhere that they will have to get past at any cost, whether that means almost taking me off the bike in the process. However I have also seen bad cyclists crossing a junction under red lights or cycling flat out down the pavement.

In reality if we had police to take action on every bad road user everybody here would not be complaining about bad cyclist but the fact that we live in a police state...

Nathan

Do the police really need vxr skodas in guernsey??

Beanjar

About as much as they need a SWAT team of 20, 2 armoured cars and a tank.

Davis

So...quite a bit, then?

Beanjar

We'll find out the very next time you need to take on a heavily armed gang of terrorists at the Cobo Tea Room, won't we?

islander

I can understand a cyclist riding on pavements when the traffic commitee have appproved a cycling lane on the pavement from town to St Sampsons sea front.

This is a danger for pedestrian in its self with the added danger of mobility transport too.

Cyclist coming off path to cross roads at longstore,red lion,track lane and Richmond corner are areas of concern.

Revert this back to pedestrians only and maybe cyclist will not abuse other pavements around the island.

Time for safety police officer to visit schools again and tell them that pavements are not for riding on.

Obtaining a provisional driving licence for young motor cyclist is laughable for reason many do not bother to book their test but just renew their licence.

Cyclist and motor cyclist riding two abreast is common place on our roads.Education is needed here.

Motorist if kept to speed limits and not just drive at 10 to 15 mph would ease traffic congestions.Bad parking[a foot or so away from the pavement causing tailbacks in narrow two way roads].

Motor cyclist and cyclist using dangerous tatics jumping traffic at traffic lights either inside or outside causing danger to other road users.

sarnia

I cycle a lot and on many occasions i get cut up by cars overtaking.I will pedal in the middle of my lane if there are driveways or entrances on my left handside.Many a time a car will chance it and overtake me when a car is pulling out onto the road.I have know where to go.I will pull in and give cars as much room as possible if the road in front has no possiblility of a car pulling out in front of me.

Royston Gauno

I noticed several Pubs banned cycle parties during the Summer, I saw an Occupation cycle ride enter a Forest Gastro Pub and be refused alcohol, several appeared very drunk and should not of been riding, particularly, on the old and rusty cycles they had.

Terry Langlois

I am not sure what relevance your comment has to the article about different groups of road users respecting each other a bit more, but you might be interested that a man was prosecuted just the other week for riding a bike while drunk, so the laws do apply and are enforced.

JustSaying1949

I have family in Guernsey and I cycle a lot when I visit. I am conscious that as a visitor I must obey the island's road culture and it shocks me that motorised transport do not also obey the rules of the road. I wear a hi-viz cycling top and a brightly coloured cycling helmet. I also have a flashing rear light andI still get cut-up. I am also 6 foot 2inch tall. On a bike that is a big target to see. Guess what, SIDNSYM (sorry I did not see you mate!) is what I get from the drivers. At traffic lights I look behind and if there is a queue of traffic, I let them go ahead before I set off. Everybody who has submitted a comment thinks the introduction of a cycle road tax is the solution. Think out of the box fellas. It is as simple as obeying road rules.

James

Well, it didn't take very long for an article about living alongside one another to bring out the bicycle haters, did it?

I won't bother contributing further to the debate; it seems many contributors have already been very keen to confirm their lack of tolerance and demand for draconian action, with the aim of cleansing our road system of the unwanted.

Frank

Sorry. No intention of stereotyping cyclists - I am one myself, and the majority are responsible and safe road users. Of course any road user should be prosecuted for ignoring the rules of the road. However I do have to admit that the Sunday morning cyclists do annoy me just a little with their attitude to other road users!

insider

I see one of the representaves from a Bike group admitted (in this article) that he broke the Law by Cycling on the pavement. Why didn't the Press tackle him about his wilful breaking of the Law?

Terry Langlois

have you ever broken the speed limit in your car?

There are two ways of answering that question, one is an admission of breaking the law, the other is a lie. Would you be expected to be prosecuted just because you say that on occasions you have exceeded the speed limit?

This is all about increasing collective respect - car users for other car users, cyclists for car users, car users for cyclists, etc. The odd traffic infringement which, in the particular circumstances hurts no-one, is not relevant.

We just all need a little more patience and respect, and recognise that none of us has a greater right to be on the road than anyone else.

insider

I am sure I have and accept if I break the Law then I face the consequences.

insider

As a representative of some Bycling grouup he should lead by example and not be advocating breaking the Law.

Martino

I bet that you as a motorist break the law by driving on a pavement somewhere every time you take your car out - in common with every driver on the island.

Richard

There's a legal provision for vehicles to pull safely onto the curb and stop if it's necessary to let another vehicle pass.

burdock

of course there is and on many occasions it is necessary to pull onto the pavement and either stop or move along slowly not 'fly' onto the pavement at speed and continue driving down it at the same speed even though there is nothing coming the other way but just in case a vehicle does appear. If these drivers are not able to drive their huge cars more safely they should get a smaller car. When on the road from Capelles school I have often seen oversized vehicles 'hounding' parents who are walking on the pavement with their children.

terry Langlois

but how many of us actually do that, as opposed to pulling onto the pavement and keeping on driving?

blogger

I drive on the pavement sometimes because if I didn't I would be breaking the law by deliberately driving into another vehicle coming in the opposite direction. Not all incidents of driving on pavements is against the law. Although I do see many incidents of drivers driving at speed on pavements and also drivers driving on pavements because they are clearly driving a vehicle that they are not comfortable with. Now these latter ones, in my opinion, see their cars as status symbols.

terry Langlois

er, there is another alternative!!

Driving on the pavement is illegal. Pulling onto the pavement and waiting there while another vehicle passes, and then pulling back onto the road, is not.

Andy

We need a car free Island with subsidised buses and taxis. Having said that now the Deps have sold out the banking perhaps rickshaws or donkeys.

insider

Have you costed that Andy, allowing for the millions in tax that is raised through Duty on fuel?

islander

What is needed is Noddy travelling around St Peter Port on his donated red scooter watching the road users breaking the law, wizzing between traffic lanes causing danger to other road users.

Motor bikes 2 abreast.cyclist overtaking in the inside of traffic waiting to cross junctions.

concerned

This is ridiculous, what a complete waste of police time and resources. There is no issue, other than a very vocal minority who don't know when to take a deep breath and calm down a bit.

And what exactly does "GUERNSEY Police will look to work with road users next year to help alleviate ‘tensions’" mean? It looks like an excuse to hassle motorists even more to me. Hiding behind hedges with a speed gun will make no difference whatsoever, other than adding to any frustrations. Bad driving gets completely over looked in the general misguided opinion over here, that as long as you aren't speeding that's all that matters.

All pedestrians want is for other road users to take a little more care when there are people walking along the road/pavement. And generally for everybody to be a little more considerate, particularly at busy times. What's so hard about that?

townie2

If the above is what Sgt Tostevin actually said, then it is unnecessarily inflammatory. There is no great divide going on.

Pedestrians, cyclists and motorists are not different species, in fact many of us can find ourselves in all 3 groups in the same day. We’re just people on the move.

This morning I saw 1 driver ‘texting’ while driving, 1 cyclist riding on a pavement and 2 unattended builder’s vehicles blocking the pavement, forcing pedestrians to walk amongst the traffic. All of those things were annoying, but not representative of how most people behave – i.e. the hundreds of cars, bikes, etc. I saw that were being used properly but didn’t really stick in the memory.

We all need reminding of our responsibilities as road users but please stop playing up to this fake war the press enjoys so much and get some perspective.

Terry Langlois

Excellent post. I agree entirely

bcb

Great post and is the reality of the situation.

Dave Haslam

GP low on advertising revenue this month??

Need to generate clicks by stoking an argument??

Frankly its an obvious attempt to drum up interest and really as a cyclist/car driver/motorcyclist the only thing that winds me up about anyone that will pin a flag to a group is the constant bleating I read on here.

Perhaps, just perhaps, there would be less animosity if the GP stopped fanning the flames and drawing out angry little comments from people desperate to add their anonymous two penneth!

no one

How about an easily accessed list of the vehicle drivers name and address. I gaurantee you will see an improvement in driving if any one can get hold of your address.

CSR

I'm sure that the Data Protection Registrar would have a dim view of that proposal, also if you had access to the address of a vehicle's registered keeper, there is no guarantee that it was that particular person driving the vehicle at the time of a perceived infraction.

Imagine also the number of 'vigilante' actions taking place if everyone had the address of someone they thought had done them an injustice!

Nah, bad idea.. ALL (pedestrians included) road users need to step back, take a deep breath and up their own game when it comes to using the roads/pavements these days.

cyril serbant

not sure what the police are talking about here. as a pedestrian, driver, rider and cyclist I see the occasional idiot (and, I'm sure, done the occasional stupid / annoying thing myself) but rarely see roadrage, hatred, division blah blah. Not saying it never happens but things seem to work pretty well and the vast majority of road users seem safe, amicable and normal.

The only place I see real tension between cyclists and drivers is on this forum.