GFC fear wait will make them rusty

ANOTHER postponement will see Guernsey FC enter the toughest period of their season with rustiness likely to be a serious problem.

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A waterlogged Port Soif football pitch

ANOTHER postponement will see Guernsey FC enter the toughest period of their season with rustiness likely to be a serious problem.

This afternoon’s scheduled CCL Premier Division match against Hanworth Villa at Footes Lane fell victim to the weather yesterday morning, making it three successive home postponements.

It is the sixth in total this season due to rain and means the Green Lions still have 27 league games remaining in a four-month period, as well as cup matches, starting with six away from home next month.

Footes Lane is not the only local ground suffering, though, as all three of this afternoon’s scheduled FNB Priaulx League games are in serious doubt.

Sylvans are due to host North at a sodden St Peter’s that was yesterday described by home coach Shaun Staples as ‘50-50 at best if there’s no more rain’.

It is a similar story at the Corbet Field, where title challengers Vale Rec and St Martin’s are due to meet, both looking to close the gap on leaders Bels.

Today’s third 2pm kick-off is scheduled at Port Soif between Rovers and Rangers, but with that ground also largely underwater yesterday, a game looks hopeful at best.

Comments for: "GFC fear wait will make them rusty"

PLP

At this rate GFC will need to start using the artificial hockey pitch at Footes Lane a la QPR in the 1980s.

Ex Northerner

This is turning into a farce, GFC have now got 7 games in hand on some clubs, they've played 15 matches compared with others who have played 22.

So, the pitch isn't fit for purpose, crowds are diminishing, and before long the sponsorship will have disappeared. Doomed to failure, the sooner the better.

Johno

Ex Northener

For someone keen to see the demise of this superb setup, you seem to know a lot about them!

You could not be more wrong, they are more determined than ever for this to work,......and it will.

Reading all the doom and gloom, you're not a Liverpool fan by any chance are you?.................it would explain a lot!

Ex Northerner

Liverpool fan? You must be joking, I'm no bin dipper!!

So is there a queue of sponsors waiting to step in when Sportingbet pull out?

Johno

Ex Northener

Fair enough!

I believe the Sportingbet agreement is for 3 years, after that I'm confident someone will come forward.

Don't forget the business plan was for gates of 600 to cover costs and they average just over a 1,000.

I think there is more chance of Rovers winning the Priaulx league than the demise of GFC :)

Guern

I am not a football fan, and have not been to Footes Lane on a match day, but the good the team do for Guernsey away and at home is super, and as usual it is only the few who make it bad for the rest.

I am sure they will do the best they can for the club and personal view points, but at the same time when they win, it is Guernsey that benefit, so stop the knocking and do either like me, try and keep out of these silly arguments till your blood boils, or hopefully benefit from putting Guernsey ahead and in the eye of others, either by sport or any other means.

Johno

Guern

Very well put. I was very sceptical about the project but am happy to admit I was very wrong. I have missed the games more than expected and cannot wait for the next home game.

These lads put in 100% and deserve our full backing.

Ex Northerner

Johno

But that average home gate is dropping all the time isn't it, how long before it's less than 600? I'd imagine that'll happen when the novelty wears off for the social "fans" and when GFC stop winning by 3/4/5 goals most weeks.

I'd be interested to hear who you think might be interested in sponsoring the team, I'm struggling to see who would find it a viable commercial proposition?

GM

Ex Northener

Personally, I would MORE interested if the games were closer. I prefer to see hard fought battles.

I understand that there are already back-up sponsors lined up as a contingency.

Johno

Ex Northener

The gates will not drop below 600 and they are not in steady decline, settling at or around 1100, which when weather is taken into consideration is amazing.

GM

There have been some very close close games and even where there have been a couple or so goals between them it has been hard fought for, with the fitness levels coming through, as we go up a league it will of course get tougher yet.

I too have heard of a contingency plan.

I'm afraid all of the whinging doubters are in for a long wait!

Ex Northerner

John

Average gate for competitive matches this season is 1004, not 1100. By the end of the season it will be nearer to 900 in my opinion and the number will continue to dwindle as the novelty wears off.

Anyone can "hear" about anything, until such time as a sponsor stumps up the readies all you're talking about is rumour and speculation.

JJ Lehto

Ex Northerner, so you wish for GFC to fail and have the players return to the old Priaulx with it's tiny attendences and such strong popularity amongst the players that some preferred to play in the social leagues?

Did the old Priaulx league ever see a total of 1004 spectators on a Saturday watching the various matches?

Ex Northerner

JJ Lehto

It depends on how far you go back, if you go back to the 60s I think you'll find that the attendances were in that region for decent Priaulx games.

What I want to see is a competitive Priaulx league, a competitive youth league, and an end to the elitism that GFC has created, with players, fans, administrators etc all getting far too excited about playing against glorified pub opposition. It's amateur sport FFS, I don't understand the fixation with trying to apply professional standards to amateur sides, it doesn't work.

Johno

Ex Northerner

What the hell as attendances in the 60's got to do with it?

You are obviously one of the supporters that is happy to see local football stagnate!

GFc will bring more kids into football, hence down the line more competitive Priaulx, Junior football etc.

Remove the blinkers and get your ass down to a game, trust me, like other sceptics I know, who have bothered....you will be surprised.

JJ Lehto

Ex-Northener

And in the 60's there was no access to the Premier League (and other European leagues) at the push of a button etc, so watching the Priaulx was about your only option to get a "decent" fix of football.

It's all very well you wanting a competitive Priaulx league with each match watched by 12 people and a dog, but the 1000+ who turn up at Footes Lane obviously want something a bit more than that.

Bob

Ex-Northerner

History is irrelevant. The trend of low Priaulx attendances from 2000-2010 is the one worth bothering about. Pathetic attendances, sometimes less than 20. Sky TV has a lot to do with it of course, not just the lack of interest in local Priaulx football.

You are clinging on to the past - those days will not return, with or without Guernsey FC.

Ex Northerner

The peole who turn up at Footes Lane largely do so to catch up on gossip with other non football fans and check out which brand of handbag is currently in fashion. What they cetainly DON'T turn up to see is a competitive game.

If you genuinely think that GFC is a viable long term prospect you need your bumps read.

Johno

Ex Northener. alias Ex football fan

People like you my friend were exactly the reason local football WAS going to the dogs until GFC came along. The petty arguments against GFC are quite unreal.

Been to many games? Treat yourself , it may open your eyes!

JJ Lehto

Ex Northerner

Your post numbered 13 pours scourn on the "elitism that GFC has created" yet your post numbered 17 seems to have a rather elitist air to it! Not to mention a healthy dose of sexism.

I'm not 100% sure GFC is a viable long term prospect. I am 100% sure that the old local leagues would never get 1000+ people a weekend watching football.

Please could you confirm how many GFC games you have attended?

Ex Northerner

Johno / JJ

I haven't been to a single game, why would I when I totally disagree with the whole concept?

What I HAVE done is talked to many people who have been, many of whom (not all admittedly) know nothing about football whatsoever. they freely admit it's just a "social" outing for them. It is this class of "fan" who will disappear when the novelty wears off and/or GFC stop winning by 3/4/5 goals most weeks and/or they actually start playing games in inclement weather.

There is nothing sexist about my post at all, it's simple fact, so trying to play that card is a little bit silly really. You seem to be arguing that the entire point of GFC is to provide "fans" with entertainment, whereas I seem to recall that the original "point" was to raise the overall standard of Guernsey football (throughout the leagues) and put players in "the shop window" in order that professional clubs would be able to snap them up. How many players have turned pro as a result of GFC?

The GFC enthusiasts change their argument as often as they have their hair done, whereas my view has always been the same; the project is doomed, and Guernsey football on the whole will suffer as a result.

ah

Unfortunately or fortunately in my opnion....the sponsor will be leaving Guernsey most likely and attendances will keep dropping.

I would have thought that total Priaulx attendences over a weekend were pushing a GFC match attendance.

My concern is not the concept but rather the effect it has had on the majority. No new players coming through, those that do play in a lesser league so are worse players and a lot of people dropping out of football. Very sad but i don't question that a select group of players are better off and some people are watching football now that wouldn't before.

Now we have it i hope it stays as if it disappears i think Guernsey football will never recover

JJ Lehto

Ex Northerner

You stated: "The peole who turn up at Footes Lane largely do so to catch up on gossip with other non football fans and check out which brand of handbag is currently in fashion"

So blokes check out handbag fashions do they?

Your comment was snide and sexist, and what makes it laughable is that you've never even been to a GFC game. You are entitled to your opinions on the GFC project, but don't slag off the 1000+ who go to each game when you've not even bothered to see for yourself.

Maybe GFC was created with a view to raising the standard of Guernsey football and putting players in the shop window, and maybe making judgement on that after 1.5 seasons is just slightly premature?

And isn't the whole point of football to provide entertainment for fans?

to ex northerner

You are correct. No youth players are getting in the term other than as a token gesture and Rhys Jordan getting into Bristol, largely had nothing to do with GFC if i understand correctly

Tut....

Ex Northerner. I find your post no 4 quite offensive, referring to Liverpool fans as "bin dippers". Grow up.

Island Wide Voting

I had to look up the term 'bin dippers'and found the following ..

Abbreviation for "bin dipper" aka scouser.

Derived from their habit of foraging in dustbins for food, clothing and mating partners.

Have to agree with 'Tut'.. it must be quite offensive to anyone from that area but on the other hand quite hilarious to many others ( not me I hasten to add)

Johno

Ex-Northener

I have nothing else to say, you're posts say it all!

laurie carre

To all who air views, The important thing in all this is that local football doesnt vanish,planning when gfc started seems to me,and not by all, that people didnt worry about the long term damage that would happen to g.f.a. and sadly we are seeing what will happen if not acted on.I have no problems with gfc, where i do have problems is with a number of people who totally tried by ignoring gfa and filling the pages of the newspaper with gfc news and nothing else, they have done a great disservess to football.I do hope that while there have been no gfc games all these new fans of local football have been attending other local games, and showing how much they love football, if they havent,perhaps some of the comments above are correct.

for a fact

You are all bullying and being aggressive to ex Northener for thinking out side the box.

For the record i know both male and female GFC fans that take an interest in handbags and thats not me trying to make a joke, its a fact . To be honest your attitude is equally as bad and insulting to suggest a man can't be interested in a handbag.

I have to say we can't judge the project on the number of ''fans'' which are falling anyway!).

memem

Laurie Carre that was a good post

JJ Lehto

Fair point Laurie, although (as has been pointed out on this thread) as only non-football fans seem to go to GFC games (to discuss both handbags and manbags, and to have a gossip) attendances at GFA games should be static.

PLP

Tut - you probably shouldn't go to a Premier League game any time soon if you found Ex-Northerners post offensive. Compared to some of the banter (or down right abuse) you'll hear in the stands, Ex-Northeners post was pretty tame.....and you don't have the advantage of the sound sanitising they do on Sky or Match of the Day.

laurie carre

jjlehto, gfa attendances should rise, if gfc should have problems in the future and need support i wouldnt like to depend on gfc fans to help get them through it. they should attend all local football if they are really interested in the game. Sadly i have been down to footes lane, and have been embarressed by some peoples comments during the time i was there. please all, support all gsy football

Johno

JJ Lehto

Another post from somebody who it appears has never been to a GFC game.

I can assure you ( assuming you are a football fan) that you will meet more like minded people at GFC than at a Priaulx game, though I should point out I fully support the GFA, who are now working closer with GFC for the future good of lhe local game. From what I remember of Priaulx games, take out family members, friends etc and your left with about 20 people

For all the whinging jealousy on here, surely people can see that local football had stagnated and had to try and move forward.

Tito

Haha the chants at gfc games are an embarrassment!!!

Johno, how exactly are the gfc and gfs working closer together?

PLP

Johno - I think JJ Letho was being sarcastic! His other posts suggest he supports GFC......

PLP

John - I think JJ Lehto was being sarcastic! His previous posts suggest he's a GFC supporter. Unfortunately it's sometimes difficult to communicate sarcasm and irony when typing.

JJ Lehto

Johno, I think you should go back and read all of the posts, and then you'll see my tongue was firmly planted in my cheek with my comment at 5.10pm!

I find the posts slagging off GFC (and the GFC fans) to be rather sad, and indicative of what has been wrong within the local game for a long, long time.

GFC may turn out to be unviable, but it's worth a shot.

Tut....

PLP...... I've had a season ticket at a top four Premier League club for the last 8 years..... And yes I hear that stuff, and a lot worse. Doesn't make it right though, does it?

Johno

JJ Lehto

I stand corrected, my missus often accuses me of never listening :)

Ex Northerner

Tut

For goodness sake, get down off your high horse. What about this beauty, often sung by Chelsea and West Ham:-

In your Liverpool slums

You look in a dustbin for something to eat

You find a dead rat and you think it's a treat

In your Liverpool slums

In your Liverpool slums

Your mum's on the game and your dad's in the nick

You can't get a job 'cause you're too flipping thick

In your Liverpool slums

In your Liverpool slums

You wear a shell suit and have got curly hair

All of your kids are in council care

In your Liverpool slums

In your Liverpool slums

There's wee on the pavement and poo on the path

You play with your grandma and think it's a laugh

In your Liverpool slums

Obviously some of the words have been changed in order to keep the mods happy!!

PLP

Tut - What is/isn't acceptable in terms of football banter is pretty subjective depending who you speak to - the recent story about Spurs fans (who like to refer to their Jewish heritage at corners) is a good example.

Where the majority of people agree is that the racism still prevelant in the stands (did you see the recent story where AC Milan players left the field after racist abuse againdy Kevin Prince-Boateng?) and some of the more sick abuse (e.g. Hillsborough and Munich) both need to be eradicated.

Tut....

Ex Northerner. I'm curious......Why do you think it acceptable to behave at football matches like you wouldn't behave anywhere else in society? I've often wondered and would really like to know. So perhaps you could enlighten me.

Ex Northerner

Tut

It's called banter, and it's one of the key reasons why huge amounts of supporters go to football matches. If you don't get it you won't get it, best stick to your chants of "give us a G, give us an F etc etc" which are absolutely woeful.

Fans try to outdo each other with their "banter" and very entertaining it is too, which top 4 premier league club are you a season ticket holder at, do they not allow such chanting?

Pepe Le Pew

Tut - the question of sports fan behaviour has occupied the minds of psychologists for a while now. This is an interesting article:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201112/the-psychology-sports-fans

Taken to the extreme, why do people with respectable lives, good careers and families deliberately look for violent confrontation against other teams fans? I suspect (and the article above supports this) that the answer is pretty multi-faceted.

JJ Lehto

The behaviour of most football players in the Prem is generally terrible, so that is bound to rub off on the fans.

Tut....

Ex Northerner. I just was curious why you (and countless other fans) find it acceptable to enjoy a laugh at people's expense - when you are at a football match - for example just because the opposition come from an area with high umployement. You wouldn't drop by the Job Centre on your way home from work and laugh at the people there because they didn't have a job, would you? But it's okay, because of the anonimity of the crowd....... My season ticket is at Tottenham Hotspur, and I've often listened to the opposition fan's 'banter' referring to events 60 years ago. And maybe I am a prude, but some 'banter' just isn't funny.

bpringle

Wow, ex northerner, you seem to be very bitter about people in the island trying to move forward and try something new and better with GFC. You've went from a bitter post to posting a whole song which isn't banter but simply to antagonise opposing fans. If GFC keep progressing and become the 'elite' team in the Island then it will motivate the younger players to play well for their clubs and get into the GFC team resulting in a more competitive local league! stop being jealous of it!

valeite

bpringle

You are making exactly the type of comment that gets to the old players and supporters, they are not jealous of what GFC have, they are just a bit fed up of everyone raving about the games when some of the old timers have played against football teams much higher up the league than the GFC are currently playing against but I do not think you will find an old player in the island who does not think that what GFC are doing and the way the island is being promoted is a bad thing, although I am sure the mainstays at the GFA clubs are going to get a bit weary if their players go and play for GFC leaving their Priaulx teams in a weaker position. And no I am not taking anyones side, but have been around football long enough to discuss the position sensibly which others seem to be uncapable of.And I just hope that all the newbie supporters, keep supporting their team through thick and thin, like we had to in the past.I do agree something had to be done in local football to keep the game alive, but wonder whether it was good to put all the eggs in one basket, so to speak. I hope I have not offended anyone.

PLP

Tut / Ex Northener

I think the issue is where to draw the line between banter and abuse. Banter is generally good natured (although it can sound abusive to other people who don't understand the dynamics) whilst abuse by nature isn't.

Where the line is drawn depends very much on the individuals concerned - and it can be a complicated business. Take Tottenham Hotspur - a club with a strong Jewish heritage. Some opposing fans exploit this to deliver sick abuse about the Holocaust, and yet when the Society of Black Lawyers threatened to prosecute the club for allowing racism in the stands (Their complaint was that Spurs fans vocally call themselves "Yids" and "Yid Army" in terrace songs / banners) there was an uproar. Tottenham fans (including many Jewish people) insisted they were simply paying homage to the clubs Jewish heritage and defending themselves against anti-semitism.

Here's an interesting article about the incident (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20244204) showing the different reactions.

I think this is a great illustration of the complicated issues surrounding what goes on in football grounds. I think it also illustrates how complicated the whole idea of what is / isn't acceptable can be.

Creative Midfielder

Laurie (comment 32), you're showing your true colours by saying you were 'embarrassed' by some of the comments you overheard at Footes Lane during a GFC game.

Would you have been embarrassed if you had heard the same comments at a GFA game?? I would guess the comment you overheard came from a 'woman' (not that I expect you to admit it).

FYI me and my wife became involved with a GFA club when our son and daughter started playing minis. It was an absolute disgrace the way we were treated when we started to go and watch the Priaulx side play.

I introduced to myself to a few of the people helping out and to say we were totally 'blanked' would be an understatement.

Now we happily attend GFC games and you will be pleased to hear that my wife's (or even my) ill-informed comments about the game of football will never cause embarrassment at another GFA game.

laurie carre

creative midfielder. i really do not know what you are talking about, the many comments that i heard were from mainly young lads who really didnt know a football from a cricket bat,they had it seems watched football on tv, and before i said anything i left, these comments were aimed at players from the other side.I think it was very sad that you were blanked when trying to get involved, and glad you have kept your interest in football.I would have felt the same if these comments had been made at any game. as to say i wouldnt admit it if i was talking about female fans, you obviously dont know me.so i have tried to answer your comments, but i still dont really know what you are talking about

laurie carre

VALEITE, many good points, and totally agree with them